Ragnarok: Dupe – The Final Solution

As already announced in the Ragnarok site and at Waukster’s we are going to do a full item wipe of all illegal duped items.

I know there will be a lot of comments after this post and a lot will complain. But trust me, this is the right thing to do. Also, we are duty bound with our license agreement with the game developers (Gravity of Korea) to preserve the game intergrity and balance of Philippine Ragnarok Online. We have spent sleepless nights discussing, studying and simulating alternate solutions. The total solution, which will also be for the good of the majority, will be the complete and unequivocal wipe of the duped items.

I know the short-term benefits of these will affect a lot of players. But the  long-term effects not just for the game but for you, our customers – the community who makes up pRO will be beneficial and lasting. Remember, I also consulted with the community and asked you to take a stand by voting on a poll.

The official statement and more of my personal thoughts after the jump…

OFFICIAL STATEMENT (at www.ragnarok.ph)

Citizens of Midgard,

As most of you know, there has been rampant abuse of the dupe exploit by some individuals motivated by greed and personal gain. The effect of these illegal items within the game and to the economy is massively detrimental. In accordance with Level-up Games Inc.’s license agreement with Gravity, and our efforts to maintain pRO’s game balance and integrity, we have no choice but to do a complete wipe of all illegal items starting 8:30PM tonight, June 20, 2007. This is a continuous process that will last until 4:00PM June 22, 2007. We strongly advise EVERYONE to refrain from trading, vending, or even selling items to other players during this critical period. During the wipe, there is no need to do maintenance unless there is an emergency.

To players who have evidence of their trades and affected by the wipe, you can send a ticket at www.levelupsupport.ph and the GM Team will investigate. If the trade was legitimate and fair (meaning you got the item but DID NOT know that it was an illegal copy), then we will compensate accordingly. Please provide the following information in your ticket: Username, Character name, Server, and Screenshots (if ever possible). Take note that tickets with incomplete information will not be entertained.

We would like to apologize for the inconvenience this has caused everyone. But we at Level Up firmly believe that this is for the good of the majority and for the continued integrity of Philippine Ragnarok Online. Note that there are no alternatives at this point and we are duty-bound by our agreement with Gravity to take this course of action.

Thank you very much for your continued patronage and support of the game.

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It will be certain that there be a lot of “innocents” who will be affected – those who legally traded for items that they HAD NO IDEA that it was an illegal duped copy. We know this and we are already making a process where we can investigate and then compensate each on a case-to-case basis. This will be a long and ardous task and it will take some time.

We call upon your patience and understanding in this matter. Again, comments are welcome below. But please use the “golden rule” which I initiated at the Ragnaboards below… R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Thank you for taking time to read this and for visiting.

GM T

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  • seaneas

    GMT
    How come there is no annoucement regarding this script for dupe wipe out? All that is there is mostly about hypermart. Does that mean hypermart is more important? Just asking.

    When there was a problem about the dupes in Freya you even posted there for a Poll. But now that this problem is “solved”. There is no more news about it. Everyone has to know this “good news”.

  • http://www.friendster.com/lunchbox213 ScourgeNigel

    with regards to the dupe item.

    can we get back the zenny whe spent for the items

    we bought, the we didnt thought of a dupe item.

  • http://bloggers-me.blogspot.com Ryan

    Palagay ko kahit maraming posibleng magreklamo sa move na ito, this is the best decision na pwede ninyong gawin.

    Although players and the game integrity are equally important,the integrity should be number one priority since there is only a few fraction of players who have exploited the bug and the dupe wipe would most likely only affect them.

  • Vanilla Sky

    Hi Tristan,

    I am not sure if the anti-dupe script will prevent all future dupe methods, or if it would only cover the current situation and delete the existing dupes. I am hoping it’s the former.

    But if it is the latter, I hope that LUG would be running that anti-dupe script on a weekly basis… that is until they can come up with a sure fire way of preventing dupes from existing at the moment of materialization/ creation. Because unless this can be done, then there will eventually be other methods of duplication.

    Personally, I think the problem lies with the way the game’s databases are set up. I am not sure how it is setup, but based from my IT experience… those kinds of problems occur if either you maintain two databases and they are not in sync… Or, the databases the game have do not have indexes, which would prevent a non-unique data from being posted to the tables.

    If RO has an Item Master Database, I have a feeling this is what the devs should be focusing on – wiping out dupes won’t really solve the problem; it’s like a temporary fix. Finding out the root cause of the dupe and resolving it would end this problem as well.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am glad that the dupes have been wiped. However, this must not make everyone complacent. We have to know why this exists, and what can be done to permanently remove this issue.

    (Re-commented from Wauk’s blog)

  • Keth

    Good bye bye dupes /heh anyway how long will it take to wipe out all the dupes so we can start vending/selling/buying/trading ?

  • Memory of Ragnarok

    @Ryan
    Although players and the game integrity are equally important,the integrity should be number one priority since there is only a few fraction of players who have exploited the bug and the dupe wipe would most likely only affect them.

    It’s the other way around. The innocent players
    are the ones would be affected. The dupers on the
    other hand are taking advantage as of the moment
    regarding the compensation issue and have evidences
    that would prove their accounts as victims of duped
    items it’s easy for them to do it. Since they just
    have to create another account that would be the
    one would get the zenny from the duped account wherein
    that said zenny gained from his victim account trade
    with the duped item. That victim account then that’s
    the one the duper would use for compensation purposes.
    In the end it’s no big deal for the dupers getting
    their duper account banned.

    To prolong this so called integrity of the game,
    there should be no compensation regarding the loss
    of the duped item. And no further excuse of unbanning
    accounts that those owners would claim they are innocents cause the dupers would try to use this tactics too for unbanning their accounts.

  • Memory of Ragnarok

    @ Keth

    base from Wauks have said in his blog

    I think it is 4.01pm onward of June 22,2007. Now safe to buy anything, maybe they would extend it so it’s not
    yet finalized.

  • JOHN

    @GMT

    Bkt po ganun? ung +9GTB guard ko since Nov ’06 ko pa nabile, pero nawala parin.

  • http://gmtristan.com GM T

    Hi,

    Thank you for your inputs. Here’s some of mine:

    > The holy grail is to plug and stop duping from now on
    > Yes, we will compensate the innocent
    > and we will prosecute the dupers and they will pay for their crimes

    Thanks,
    GM T

  • anti-dupe

    GM T,

    in my own opinion, mejo futile tong ginawa nyo ng LUG. the script only eliminates the dupes instead of its source. although nawala ung mga current duped items/gears, the process (duping) is still there. anytime the duper can always dupe any items (loots/gears etc) and sell it to the NPC or other innocent players right away. no use running the script twice a day when dupers can dupe anytime, anyday and just sell it right away to gain more zeny. nde ba naisip ng LUG to? you have to eliminate the source to stop once and for all this duping..

    what you need is a script that will ACTUALLY STOP THE DUPING PROCESS. that way, we can really say na PRO is 100% dupe free. think about it LUG.. logic lang naman eh.

  • me

    wow.. it seems na mababait mga nagrereply dito..^^ wawa naman si sir wauks.. hehe.. can we get an assurance if this sitation that I will state can han a solution:

    a player was not aware before of the dupe issue and bought items without screenshots of the trade/s.. the only screenshots available are those of which the lost items were still worn.. the greatest statement that can only justify the legality of the lost items is the range of time it got lost..

    thanks!

  • evincar

    sana ASAP at mabilis ung pag ayos nung mga apektado tao lalo na ung mga inosenteng tao na d naman alam na dupe ung nabili nila… malaking sakripisyo ng mga gamers

  • kevinzky

    GM T,

    ask ko lang po, pati po ba ung item na dinuplicate mwawala? sana naman oo… para mtakot na ang dupers mag dupe ng item nila…

    sana rin po maalis nyo na tlaga ung dupe bug….

    Sa mga dupers:

    wala kayo awa. pati +8 sohee shoes dinudupe nyo? tsk tsk tsk

  • http://gmtristan.com GM T

    talagang dupang ang mga dupers. Thanks for the constructive criticisms. I respect all of your opinions and I will note all of these to make a better game. It’s not for me… but for you our dear players. As far as I know, the original items will not be wiped, only the illegal copies.

    Again, many thanks

  • Syndrome

    GM Tristan
    Paano po yung Mga vesper core na pinamigay nyo nung BTA bakit po na wala so ibig sabihin po ba nun dupe din yung pinamigay nyo?Yung Friend ko po na walan ng vespercore01 at 02.Wala sya screenshoot kasi nga alam namin na legal yun kasi sa LU po mismo galing diba.Nung na DC sya at hindi maka connect kasi nag run po yata ng script Pag log in nya nawala!SO ibig sabihin po ba dupe din yung pina mimigay nyo na prize?nasa kafra po yun ha partida pa^^

  • cHanTaL

    eh akin nga +8 GR mink tagal na un skin almost nawala pa.. So pano ba kming mga players mkaka assure na wla nang dupe at safe na mag buy ng items?

  • vester

    GM T

    sir, are you sure that your wipe is targeting duped items? or are you just blind wiping what you think are duped items? I lost 1 pcs VC02, 1 pcs VC01, 1 +4 icepick. items that i was thinking should be beyound doubt, or may i say beyound wipe?. the Vesper Cores are prices from BTAX we won. and the ice pick was an item i personally aquired doing the icepick quest.

    i also lost my OH sunnies and Hasty shoues pre-baldur items. i cant help to notice that you targeted items in my new accts. while the other Btax price namely the VC 02 was safe in my other old acct. are you sure that you know what you are wiping are really duped items? i cant help but to feel it was just a random wipe meant to stabilize the ragnarok economy. i have been a fair player ever since ragnarok’s beta days constantly maintaning 6 accts just to get where i am today. it just saddens me that you succesfully wiped out my hard work ever since the beta days.

    thank you sir i would just like to be shed some light in this regard.

  • Mai

    GM T

    do u think ung dupe bug ay maalis? or i-run nyo lang ng i-run ung script nyo?
    btw sana pati pag generate ng mga items from GM di n rin pde :D

  • dodi

    GM T sana may WALL OF SHAME kayo para sa mga dupers! THANKS!

  • Keth

    Nice Keep running those anti dupe scripts /no1

  • whiteman

    Gm i have one inquiry and hope will get an answer,

    i have several accounts. i have 3 characters from 3 different account na nilalagyan ko ng zeny para maipon b4 buying rare items. i’m doing this para iwas hack. at least meron matira if mahack ung isang account.

    i bought some rare and boss items na nadamay during wipeout. the problem is, the account holding during the wipe out is not the account who bought the said items with corresponding screenshot. pinapasa po me ung gamit sa ibang accounts me depending anong cha gagamitin me during seige. that means during the wipe out one of my account is holding the items and not the one who originally bought the items. sa pagpasa there is no zenny involve. the account holding the items na nawipeout has no screenshot or evidence na legitimate trade un from my other account. no zeny involve kc. will the GM and CS still honor the original screenshot during the legit trade where it involves huge amount of zeny?

  • Nathan

    GMT i know this is out of topic but it might help narin kung mag post ako dito about the rebirth bug kasi ang sakit ng nabasa ko sa blog ni waukster e, di ko nalang pinansin di nya siguro naisip ang feeling ng merong ganitong bug…. kung me maiitutulong sana kayo kindly please reply…

    kung sa ticket marami na napasa. wala naman sumagot…

  • Zero One

    GM matagal tagal na rin ako nag raragnarok….since nag start odin server isa ko sa mga unang nag 99… medyo off topic question ko pero nadamay ako sa bug dahil nung uso ang pagkasira ng map specially during siege na di maiiwasan… nawala ang +10 GTB guard ko na matagal na matagal n…imposibleng duple un kc kayo p nga ang nag +10 nun dun sa promo nyo na +3 to equips kung mag 99 dati… may mga screnies ako nung suot ko GTB dati pero nung nangyari ang pagkawala …d ko sya na print screen kasi nka off ang GTB dahil sa RPC… magagawan kaya ng aksyon ito??? kasama rin nawala ang Turtle general card ko… ang naretain lng sa gamit ko nung suot suot ko during siege… pero ung nsa inventory ko na GTB at TG nwala po… salamat po kung mag reply

  • Syndrome

    GM
    Reply naman dun sa tanong ko at reply din po kayo sa mga nag psot dito para mapaliwanag nyo pong ma buti^^

  • http://gmtristan.com GM T

    Hi Syndrome,

    The answers:

    1. Yes we are sure that they are illegal items. The DB has unique ID numbers for EVERY item. If there are two similar items, by design of the program (and by logical reasoning), then the item is a fake, a dupe and has been wiped.

    2. Regarding your items, please file a ticket and our CS agents will gladly investigate and do it as per our processes

    Hope that answers your questions

  • http://gmtristan.com SADYANG BOBO KAU MGA GM!

    sadyang mga tanga lng kau.. ang panet ng mga idea nyo mga HAYOP! WALA KAUNG INISIP KUNDI SARILI NYO!! PUTANGINA MO TANGA KA GM BOBO! HAYOP!

  • Nathan

    GMT update naman po rebirth bug wala na malapitan na ibang tao e

  • http://gmtristan.com/ragnarok-dupe-the-final-solution/#more-109 nawalaehT_T

    ei GM tnx!! can u pls follow this ticket..7QZ9F thx a lot!

  • 2pac

    GM T
    sira po freya server!!anu bayan..syang x3 e
    pkiayos po sna ASAP..thx

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  • Nathan

    umm GM T baka naman po me updates kau sa rebirth bug, salamat

  • Syndrome

    GM Tristan
    Na wala na naman po isa naming VC02 tapos na po yung wipe out diba?so bakit na wala na naman sya every time na wawala item namin we got dc pag naka connect na kami na wala!Nag punta pa kami sa Event nyo sa StarMilss Pampanga last june 24 2007 and tinanong ko kay wintertsuki bakit na wawala isa isa yugn vesper core na pinamimigay samin.Sabi nya baka daw nag Dup kami!WTF!hindi nga kami sanay nun!Kaya nga kami sumasali sa BTA nyo at dinadayo pa namin kayo para makuha namin yung prize ang umangat naman kami sa RO.Biruin nyo dinayo pa namin NuevaViscay,QuezonProv. para lang ma kuha yung prize na vespercore tapos mawawala lang ng ganun!Ng yari po mismo yung pagka wala ng vesper core ng Sunday june 24 2007 2:00pm to 3:00pm
    Baka pwede naman po pa check…Thx!

  • MasterKoz

    Could anyone of the thousands who know how do dupe tell me how i dupe?

    thx

  • fatman

    Yeah, go dupe some more. Then pRO will just close, just like pROSE.

  • request

    Hmm GM T bka pwede na din paki remove ng BOT sagabal din kasi samin yan lako na ung mga KS. ang iba kasi gngwa ng negosyo pag BOT. Luge naman kami na natural at patas kung mag laro at ang iba ay nag hhintay lang ng mga loots ng mga bot/s nila. bka pwede na din paki alis kasi laking perwesyo din samin yan na bot. Salamat.. sorry kung may nasasagasaan ako na tao… gs2 ko lang po patas na pag lalaro.. Thanks and godbless….

  • request

    Pls stop using DUPE And BOT prog in pRO. luge ang mga kagaya ko.. papareho naman tayo nag load pero bakit kelangan nyo pa mang daya? anyway im waiting for the PW OB. thanks sa nag bgay ng cbt acc sakin.. naka abot din lvl50 =P. and GM please fix Gold bug in Boss Auction House… and sana GM T dont allowed bot in PW. TY TY TY TY TY TY send me a feedback at Hendrix_4t6@yahoo.com

  • http://gmtristan.com GM T

    yup. we won’t.

  • bryan

    GM amp kayo.nawala +4 PA ko pls paki ayos. user johngerald name char [[K@zuY@]].

  • louie

    pwede poh ba mag tanong??
    kung na screenshot ma rerefond ba ng gm ung nawalang item?? dahil malalaman namn kung anung ung ipinalit sa nabiling items kasi during trade na screenshot ko poh. . .

  • Bankonipenelyn

    GM tristan..

    Pano namin malalaman kung dupe ung item..Is there a exe. that can detect if an item is a dupe or not??

    Email me glennpaterno@yahoo.com Thanks..


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